Wednesday 10 February 2016

IS HE THERE OR NOT?

It's a question that the likes of Richard Dawkins would sneer at but, to most of us, it's a reasonable one. If somebody were to prove to me, categorically, that there is no such thing as God, my first reaction would be to feel cheated. When I was growing up I was promised that God was there and, if I was good, I would be going to Heaven. As an adult I can have doubts, but there's still that feeling that there must be something there. That's what this post is about.

The first thing that anyone arguing against the existence of God says is, why does He allow so much starvation and suffering in the world. The simple answer to that is that He doesn't. If you look at it rationally, it doesn't matter whether God exists or not in this scenario; it's man himself that causes all the suffering. There is actually enough food to go round in this world but many are starving, while we in the developed world worry about our waistlines. It's the same with medicine, housing, clothing etc. There's enough for everybody but the greed of a few means that the many goes without. Stephen Fry stated that if he dies and finds himself face-to-face with God, he'll be having it out with Him for all the suffering in the world. There's a galaxy-worth of hypocrisy in that statement. If Fry doesn't believe in God, then surely he must accept that man himself is responsible. Fry is perfectly happy to dine at the obscenely luxurious table of our royalty, while others starve, which would tend to suggest that he doesn't care. So, rather than him having it out with God, I think it might turn out to be the other way round!

Anyway, back to the point. Most philosophers I read at university don't believe in God. This is explained by them as being due to the fact that God is a paradox. They use a logical proof for this:

1) God is all-powerful.
2) God can only do good.

The argument is that 1) and 2) cannot both be true since 2) places limits on God's power. Since both are held to be necessary attributes of God, then He is a paradox and cannot possibly exist. To me, though, this explanation all hinges on the definition of 'good'. For the argument to work you have to accept the existence of an absolute concept of 'goodness'. Most philosophers these days would refute the existence of such an absolute, explaining 'goodness' as a more subjective concept. This opens the door to an unintended consequence. Since 'goodness' is a subjective concept then it might well reasonably be argued that something is only good because God does it. This turns the above logical argument on its head since, if one measures 'goodness' as something that God does, then there is no paradox at all since this definition places no restrictions at all on God's power.

Science is often used as a reason for saying that God doesn't exist, since it explains things that, previously, could only be explained as the work of God. Science and God, however, are not the mutually exclusive concepts you might think. In his book 'A Brief History of Time', Stephen Hawking explains that the whole universe should be more chaotic than it is. Either something is holding it all together or it is a remarkable coincidence that everything has just fitted into place the way it has.  Hawking offers two possible explanations: there is a God or there have been, and will be, many, many universes endlessly expanding and collapsing. By the sheer law of averages one of these universes would be as it is now. It's not that we're lucky to be in this one; we could exist in no other. So we have come about just by chance, and might well do so again if a universe such as ours comes into being a second time. Neither explanation is provable; you need to have faith for either one!

And then there's evolution. There's no denying that evolution is a fact but the theory of Natural Selection has not been proven. Even if it's true it doesn't preclude the existence of God. As I always said to the kids in my class, God could easily be working through natural processes. A couple of centuries ago scientists used to view discoveries as seeing into the mind of God. If you believe in God it doesn't mean you have to eschew science and vice-versa.

My belief in God tends to come and go. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't but I wouldn't count myself as a atheist and always find myself sticking up for belief in God. But what do you think? Let's hear your views on this or any other facet of religion or philosophy you want to bring up. And WillieWontHe can tell us more about his beliefs without having to read through a slagging- off of his team!

I look forward to reading some comments. And since I plan this to be a respectful discussion area, any comments that are abusive or the like will be removed; not that I expect any comments of that ilk!


9 comments:

  1. I'm a doubting Thomas.If there is an all powerful God why is there so much evil & greed on this planet?
    Is it all just see who'll get into heaven & who'll go to hell?
    And who's to say we're the only planet in the universe.
    There's probably thousands of planets with intelligent life on them.
    Did God make them?And have they got the same problems as us?

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  2. He's not there, there never has been anyone/thing there. It was just a good way of keeping the poor in line and the rich and powerful in the driving seat.

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  3. He's not there, there never has been anyone/thing there. It was just a good way of keeping the poor in line and the rich and powerful in the driving seat.

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  4. I've been round the houses on this one so many times but finally come to accept that there must have been a Creator. Note that I don't say "God" but "Creator". I believe the universe is a giant experiment, it's too structured and organised on so many levels to just be random. Maths & Physics are like the programming language of existence. The fact that there are natural rules and limitations to how things work (so many of which are interconnected) is IMO evidence of intent. I believe the Creator started it all off and is now just watching the results. I believe it has had as much influence on what has happened since the "big bang" as we would have on what's happening in the exploding gunpowder of a freshly struck match. Religion/worship is a man-made construct to allow us to cope with a universe we struggle to comprehend.

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  5. Don't they also argue that God is not only all powerful, but also all knowing? If this is true and God knows everything, can there be a place for unintended consequences?

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    1. As far as we're concerned, yes. I don't know about you, but I'm not 'all knowing'!

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    2. Fair point, me neither!

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  6. Marx said - Philosophers have interpreted the world in various ways . . .the point however is to change it. I can't disagree with this interpretation. As citizens of the world we need to understand and change things towards a society that enables people to live in harmony and cultural advancement - and before anyone jump's in to decry Communism, Socialism or any other 'ism' it is surely the goal that we as human beings (God made or serendipitous accident) need to pursue. Being a human being brings with it responsibility - a responsibility for our actions whether there is a God or not. Billy Connolly once said that God exists if you believe he exists - therefore its not up for discussion. Do we as human beings have more chance of uniting people around a concept of Moral Responsibility or the belief in a supernatural creator we choose to call God, Allah, Buddha, or Mohamed? Surely we can't be trying to look after ourselves to the detriment of others ( as we do if we try and get into Gods good books by doing good deeds to get to a place called heaven ) rather than place moral responsibility for our future squarely on our own shoulders. Only by doing this can we ever begin to tackle problems of our own making. I can fully understand why the ancient peoples of the world used to worship the sun - it made complete sense as the sun is responsible for everything that is good we have on earth. Yet we are expected to bypass this wonderful supernatural visible God for one that is not so much out there as it is inside our own mind. That's not to say that there is no God - only that we are in no position to enjoy the comforts of such a theoretical argument/ discussion as we have much more pressing needs - real pressing needs such as hunger, disease, homelessness, racism, wars and greed to deal with and God quite correctly will not solve these issues for us. And the more the zealots and die-hard believers try and convince everyone else the more they will drive a wedge between us. We don't have all the answers - no one does - but we do have the ability to ask the right questions to each other and to work together to solve things in a collective way that would make any deity proud. In short - as human beings - we need to find ways to create that heaven on earth for all of us - not just for the few without the need to prostitute our God in the process.

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